諗

See also: 谂

諗	U+8AD7, 諗 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-8AD7

← 論
[U+8AD6]

CJK Unified Ideographs

諘 →
[U+8AD8]

Translingual

Han character

諗 (radical 149, 言+8, 15 strokes, cangjie input 卜口人戈心 (YROIP), four-corner 0863₂, composition ⿰訁念)

References

KangXi: page 1169, character 1
Dai Kanwa Jiten: character 35660
Dae Jaweon: page 1634, character 2
Hanyu Da Zidian: volume 6, page 3989, character 3
Unihan data for U+8AD7

Chinese

Glyph origin

Characters in the same phonetic series (念) (Zhengzhang, 2003)
	Old Chinese
淰	rnɯːmʔ, nɯːmʔ, *hnjɯmʔ
唸	tɯːms, tɯːns
埝	tɯːms, nɯːb
趝	klɯːms, n̥ʰɯːms
諗	*hnjɯmʔ
稔	*njɯːm
棯	*njɯmʔ
腍	*njɯmʔ
捻	*nɯːb
錜	*nɯːb
敜	*nɯːb
惗	nɯːb, sens
菍	nɯːb, nɯːd

Etymology 1

trad.		諗
simp.		谂
variant forms		恁

Probably a Kra-Dai substrate word. Compare Zhuang naemj (“to think”). This root occurs in several Zhuang dialects and Mien, and in Liuzhou Mandarin nɐn⁵⁴.

Bai (1980) associates this word with 恁 (“to think”).

Bauer (1996) argues the direction of borrowing of this word is not certain, and it is just as likely that Zhuang and/or Mien borrowed it from Cantonese as the other way round. This root does not seem to occur in the Tibeto-Burman languages.

Pronunciation

Cantonese
(Guangzhou, Jyutping): nam²
(Taishan, Wiktionary): nam²

Cantonese
- (Standard Cantonese, Guangzhou)⁺
  - Jyutping: nam²
  - Yale: nám
  - Cantonese Pinyin: nam²
  - Guangdong Romanization: nem²
  - Sinological IPA ^(key): /nɐm³⁵/
- (Taishanese, Taicheng)
  - Wiktionary: nam²
  - Sinological IPA ^(key): /ⁿdam⁵⁵/

Definitions

諗

(Cantonese) to think; to ponder
- 欸！喺度諗緊咩呀？ [Cantonese, trad.]
  欸！喺度谂紧咩呀？ [Cantonese, simp.]
  From: 陳慧嫻, 紅茶館
  E¹! Hai² dou⁶ nam² gan² me¹ aa³? [Jyutping]
  Hey, so what are you thinking about?
(Cantonese) to think; to guess; to reckon
我諗你哋都唔記得㗎喇。 [Cantonese, trad.]
我谂你哋都唔记得㗎喇。 [Cantonese, simp.]
Ngo⁵ nam² nei⁵ dei⁶ dou¹ m⁴ gei³ dak¹ gaa³ laa³. [Jyutping]
I think you don't remember.

Synonyms

想 (xiǎng)

Compounds

大諗頭／大谂头
心諗／心谂
抵得諗／抵得谂
抵諗／抵谂
禁諗／禁谂
諗住／谂住
諗唔開／谂唔开

諗嘢唔經大腦／谂嘢唔经大脑
諗嚟度去／谂嚟度去
諗埋一便／谂埋一便
諗埋一邊／谂埋一边
諗掂／谂掂
諗法／谂法
諗真啲／谂真啲

諗縮數／谂缩数
諗落／谂落
諗起／谂起
諗返／谂返
諗返轉頭／谂返转头
諗頭／谂头

Etymology 2

trad.		諗
simp.		谂

Pronunciation

Mandarin
(Pinyin): shěn (shen³)
(Zhuyin): ㄕㄣˇ
Cantonese
(Guangzhou, Jyutping): sam²
(Taishan, Wiktionary): sim²
Min Nan (POJ): sím

Mandarin
- (Standard Chinese)⁺
  - Pinyin: shěn
  - Zhuyin: ㄕㄣˇ
  - Wade–Giles: shên³
  - Gwoyeu Romatzyh: sheen
  - Tongyong Pinyin: shěn
  - Sinological IPA ^(key): /ʂən²¹⁴/
Cantonese
- (Standard Cantonese, Guangzhou)⁺
  - Jyutping: sam²
  - Yale: sám
  - Cantonese Pinyin: sam²
  - Guangdong Romanization: sem²
  - Sinological IPA ^(key): /sɐm³⁵/
- (Taishanese, Taicheng)
  - Wiktionary: sim²
  - Sinological IPA ^(key): /sim⁵⁵/
Min Nan
- (Hokkien)
  - Pe̍h-ōe-jī: sím
  - Tâi-lô: sím
  - Phofsit Daibuun: siem
  - IPA (Xiamen): /ɕim⁵³/
  - IPA (Quanzhou): /ɕim⁵⁵⁴/
  - IPA (Zhangzhou): /ɕim⁵³/
  - IPA (Taipei): /ɕim⁵³/
  - IPA (Kaohsiung): /ɕim⁴¹/

Middle Chinese: /ɕiɪm^X/▼

Rime
Character	諗
Reading #	1/1
Initial (聲)	書 (26)
Final (韻)	侵 (139)
Tone (調)	Rising (X)
Openness (開合)	Open
Division (等)	III
Fanqie	式任切
Reconstructions
Zhengzhang Shangfang	/ɕiɪm^X/
Pan Wuyun	/ɕim^X/
Shao Rongfen	/ɕjem^X/
Edwin Pulleyblank	/ɕim^X/
Li Rong	/ɕiəm^X/
Wang Li	/ɕĭĕm^X/
Bernard Karlgren	/ɕi̯əm^X/
Expected Mandarin Reflex	shěn

Old Chinese▼
(Baxter–Sagart): /*n̥imʔ/
(Zhengzhang): /*hnjɯmʔ/

Baxter–Sagart system 1.1 (2014)
Character	諗
Reading #	1/1
Modern Beijing (Pinyin)	shěn
Middle Chinese	‹ syim^X ›
Old Chinese	/*n̥imʔ/
English	remonstrate
Notes for Old Chinese notations in the Baxter–Sagart system: * Parentheses "()" indicate uncertain presence; * Square brackets "[]" indicate uncertain identity, e.g. [t] as coda may in fact be -t or -p; Angle brackets "<>" indicate infix; * Hyphen "-" indicates morpheme boundary; * Period "." indicates syllable boundary.

Zhengzhang system (2003)
Character	諗
Reading #	1/1
No.	9494
Phonetic component	念
Rime group	侵
Rime subdivision	1
Corresponding MC rime
Old Chinese	/*hnjɯmʔ/
Notes	荏由任校改

Definitions

諗

to exhort; to reprimand
to long for
to know; to understand thoroughly
to inform

Etymology 3

For pronunciation and definitions of 諗 – see 𩐭. (This character, 諗, is a variant form of 𩐭.)

References

Dictionary of Chinese Character Variants (教育部異體字字典), b04682

Japanese

Kanji

諗

(uncommon “Hyōgai” kanji)

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Readings

On (unclassified): しん (shin); じょう (jō); にょう (nyō)
Kun: いさめる (isameru)

Korean

Hanja

諗 (eum 심 (sim))

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Vietnamese

Han character

諗: Hán Nôm readings: thẩm

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References

Nom Foundation